Two old but bright conservative establishment Dems, talking. They are a voice to be heard, agree or disagree. They slant a view as others do, toward their belief set. Gillibrand and Schumer would not be uncomfortable in a room with the two of them.

 Do not take this as a Crabgrass agreement. It is Crabgrass looking beyond the belief system here.

Carville and Hunt. After the primaries earlier this month. Including in Minnesota. Here.