Link. And yes, it is an appearance by Kevin Roberts to discuss his radical Project 2025 Presidential agenda on MSNBC, so he is entering a venue hostile to his biases and beliefs. Hostile to his agenda, where he intended to discuss his agenda, his way.
Hosting people did interject some non-sophistry, and he tried to outshout them, so, watch and see. From time to time, interjected hosting interruptions, fair or not?
Bottom line, his speaking chops are better than Biden's these days. But . . .
UPDATE: More MSNBC re PROJECT 2025. Yes, Chris Hayes having opposing views to the Heritage putsch. Giving that notice to whoever would view it, nine minutes of your time, watch or don't.
This AP online item, read it or don't. If you do read it, a report of Trump weaseling in an unlikely way, then watch this; or as far into it as you need to notice the man says "Trump" a lot. Who to believe? Or more to the point, who to fear and loath.
(Either/or vs. both)