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Monday, October 07, 2024

I am not alone in thinking Vance will say/do anything, storying up the dogs, cats, and his bogus Haitians tale - and more.

Start here. That guy.

A couple of weeks ago, Guardian reported (this is a doing, not saying Guardian item with more to follow):

Fri 27 Sep 2024 14.36 EDT

JD Vance will speak at an event on Saturday hosted by the self-styled prophet and political extremist Lance Wallnau, who has claimed Kamala Harris practices witchcraft and has written that the US is headed toward bloody internal conflict.

The campaign announced earlier this week that the Republican vice-presidential candidate will participate in a “town hall” as part of the Courage tour, a traveling pro-Trump tent revival, during a stop in Monroeville, Pennsylvania.

Wallnau, who hosts the tour and broadcasts its speakers on his online show – drawing hundreds in-person and sometimes tens of thousands virtually – is a proponent of the “seven mountains” mandate, which commands Christians to seek leadership in seven key areas of society – the church, the education system, the family, the media, the arts, business and government.

He is also a leader in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), a movement that features modern-day apostles and has taken hold in particular in non-denominational charismatic churches that embrace faith healing and believe that the Holy Spirit can speak directly through believers in the form of speaking in tongues and prophesy. These religious spaces often also practice “deliverance ministry” and “spiritual warfare” to cleanse people of demonic entities.

Karrie Gaspard-Hogewood, a scholar whose research focuses on such groups, noted that NAR-aligned practitioners engage in a unique form of “spiritual warfare” – fighting malign forces in not only individuals who are believed to be inhabited by a malign entity, but also entire geographic areas.

“Spiritual warfare is the belief that a demon has taken up residence and is controlling anything from a large geographic space to a culture, to the White House or the supreme court,” said Gaspard-Hogewood.

Extremism researchers worry that spiritual warfare, which is by definition waged in the supernatural realm, could become dangerous if interpreted excessively literally. On January 6, spiritual warriors affiliated with the Jericho March rallied at the Capitol to protest against the election results, engaging in a form of spiritual warfare on the National Mall. Wallnau, who himself prophesied that Trump would win the 2016 election and rejected the outcome when he didn’t win again in 2020, doubled down on his position at a stop of the Courage tour in Wisconsin.

“January 6 was not an insurrection – it was an election fraud intervention!” Wallnau exclaimed to the roaring crowd.

Wallnau has also written in his book, God’s Chaos Candidate: Donald J Trump and the American Unraveling, that he believes the United States is headed toward a potentially bloody clash – a “fiery trial” that will come “both to believers and nations”. In his book, in which he also claims to have met with Trump on multiple occasions, Wallnau writes that the US is entering a “crucible”, which will involve “a ‘conflict’ of ideologies, often arms, to determine a victor in the power clash”.

[...] The inclusion of Vance, who converted to Catholicism in 2019, in the tour highlights the Trump campaign’s increasing alignment with a movement on the religious right that seeks to subordinate US government and society to Christian doctrine.

[...] With its 19 electoral votes, Pennsylvania could be a make-or-break state for Harris and Trump.

Followup, Vance did not go off the deep end speaking in tongues or such in whoring to this unwholesome group and venue. Yet, according to reporting

 “I got baptized in 2019,” Vance said to scattered cheers, recounting the story of how he rediscovered his Catholic faith late in life. 

Vance’s town hall was a mostly routine recapitulation of his campaign talking points: He blamed the fentanyl crisis on lax border laws; made baseless assertions that schoolchildren aren’t learning math but “know there are 87 different genders”; and encouraged people to vote this November. 

What was significant about Vance’s decision to participate at Wallnau’s town hall is that it shows the Trump campaign yet again associating itself with a strain of extremism steeped in anti-LGTBQ bigotry that’s determined to transform the government into a Christian theocracy.

Wallnau was a prominent part of the “stop the steal” movement that sought to overturn the results of the 2020 election and hand Trump a second term. He was even set to speak at the Jan. 6, 2021 rally that turned into the violent attack on the Capitol. Wallnau, who has repeatedly compared Trump to the biblical figure of King Cyrus, recently said that the events of that day were “not an insurrection” but “an election fraud intervention.” 

He has used strident, misogynistic language when talking about Harris, saying she has the “spirit of Jezebel.” Wallnau also claimed that Harris used “witchcraft” during the televised debate with Trump.

“When I say ‘witchcraft,’ I am talking about what happened tonight. Occult-empowered deception, manipulation, and domination,” he wrote.

That kind of thing Vance could have declined. He went. He whored. Perhaps enthralled by some occult manipulative force acting against his better judgment.

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In Pennsylvania, which does have a bundle of electoral votes. Vance basically traded his credibility in an under reported effort to cement the worse part of MAGA to the Trump campaign. Any vote being worth courting, any way, any circumstances. 

Perhaps he thought he could hide. Media would ignore it. Or that anybody on Trump's ticket owed it to Trump. As likely, he enjoyed himself at the event and was likeminded with the crowd and their minds.

____________UPDATE___________

Worth a reminder, Politico reported of another Catholic hardlinder/rabblerouser, widely reported to be in alliance with Vance:

Leader of the pro-Trump Project 2025 suggests there will be a new American Revolution

Kevin Roberts said the revolution will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”

Kevin Roberts, president of The Heritage Foundation, speaks Feb. 22, 2024, in Nashville, Tennessee.
Kevin Roberts, president of The Heritage Foundation, speaks Feb. 22, 2024, in Nashville, Tennessee. | George Walker IV/AP

NEW YORK — The leader of a conservative think tank orchestrating plans for a massive overhaul of the federal government in the event of a Republican presidential win said that the country is in the midst of a “second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”

Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts made the comments Tuesday on Steve Bannon’s “War Room” podcast, adding that Republicans are “in the process of taking this country back.”

Declaring "A Revolution" on Steve Bannon's "War Room" is attuned to  "Wallnau writes that the US is entering a “crucible”, which will involve “a ‘conflict’ of ideologies, often arms, to determine a victor in the power clash”.

This kind of provocative talk sparked the Jan 6 riot, and is denounced by most fair minded and peaceful people. Those voicing "warfare" and "Revolution" thoughts are worth watching. Policing. For if/when they try to turn their speech into action. It could get ugly, as well as it might end up all talk, no action.

___________FURTHER UPDATE___________

With the thought that P2025 is weird and overly authorian while as Christian Nationalist as Wallnau, in its own way, things don't stop there. 

There is New Right thinking a step or two to the right of P2025 rattling in his intellectual closet, and then there is Curtis Yarvin, a story unto itself.  

Yarvin

In many thousand words’ worth of blog posts over the past 15 years, computer programmer and tech startup founder Curtis Yarvin has laid out a critique of American democracy: arguing that it’s liberals in elite academic institutions, media outlets, and the permanent bureaucracy who hold true power in this declining country, while the US executive branch has become weak, incompetent, and captured.

But he stands out among right-wing commentators for being probably the single person who’s spent the most time gaming out how, exactly, the US government could be toppled and replaced — “rebooted” or “reset,” as he likes to say — with a monarch, CEO, or dictator at the helm. Yarvin argues that a creative and visionary leader — a “startup guy,” like, he says, Napoleon or Lenin was — should seize absolute power, dismantle the old regime, and build something new in its place.
To Yarvin, incremental reforms and half-measures are necessarily doomed. The only way to achieve what he wants is to assume “absolute power,” and the game is all about getting to a place where you can pull that off. Critics have called his ideas “fascist” — a term he disputes, arguing that centralizing power under one ruler long predates fascism, and that his ideal monarch should rule for all rather than fomenting a class war as fascists do. “Autocratic” fits as a descriptor, though his preferred term is “monarchist.

Blake Masters, currently a Senate candidate in Arizona, and JD Vance are attuned to Yarvin-think, the Vox item continuing:

Besides Vance and Masters (whose campaigns declined to comment for this story), Yarvin has had a decade-long association with billionaire Peter Thiel, who is similarly disillusioned with democracy and American government. “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible,” Thiel wrote in 2009, and earlier this year, he declared that Republican members of Congress who voted for Trump’s impeachment after the January 6 attacks were “traitorous.” Fox host Tucker Carlson is another fan, interviewing Yarvin with some fascination for his streaming program last year. He’s even influenced online discourse — Yarvin was the first to popularize the analogy from The Matrix of being “redpilled” or “-pilled,” suddenly losing your illusions and seeing the supposed reality of the world more clearly, as applied to politics. 

Overall, Yarvin is arguably the leading intellectual figure on the New Right — a movement of thinkers and activists critical of the traditional Republican establishment who argue that an elite left “ruling class” has captured and is ruining America, and that drastic measures are necessary to fight back against them. And New Right ideas are getting more influential among Republican staffers and politicians. Trump’s advisers are already brainstorming Yarvinite — or at least Yarvin-lite — ideas for the second term, such as firing thousands of federal civil servants and replacing them with Trump loyalists. With hundreds of “election deniers” on the ballot this year, another disputed presidential election could happen soon — and Yarvin has written a playbook for the power grab he hopes will then unfold.

[...] During our lengthy conversation, Yarvin argued that the eventual fall of US democracy could be “fundamentally joyous and peaceful.” Yet the steps President Trump took in that direction after the 2020 election were not particularly joyous or peaceful, and it was hard for me to see why further movement down that road would be.

There is more to https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarvin-neoreaction-redpill-moldbug -- so interested readers have the link. Rachel Maddow has had her say over the matter, and as expected, it is not cheerful toward Vance.

It is a fairly outer-limits meandering outlook, which Walz correctly called "weird." 

Stupid too, but enough a threat of wrong people getting again to power, that it can scare you posthaste to the voting booth to go with sane norms instead.

It should scare even the super-lazy to vote. There's a lot of money behind the humbug. Money already makes it shake and rattle as feasible, no matter what. Hanging there, skeletal, in the JD closet.

A way to view things - Trump is old, declining, and an opportunistic grifter while Vance is younger, with a stronger mind, while a twilight zone idealogue. Were Trump to win he'd be lucky to make it a year before croaking, more or less, with Vance weird and ready, and likely studying the Twenty-fifth Amendment.

FURTHER: Yarvin also shows up in this item. What might not have yet gone into mainstream attentiveness, is out there on the Internet and nobody's secret. Look for it to show up more and more. 

Not an October suprise, but an October know-it-exists.