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Law suits. Unless for pure harassment and intimidation; the thread is can I win, if I win how much will I gain, and if I win, can I collect.

What's the harm? What's the prospects? Rudy in bankruptcy is a paradigm of the ultimate question, can I collect more than it costs, apart from grief and Angst.

With that, PiPress and other newspapers are suing Microsoft and OpenAI over web crawlers scraping copyrighted content and cooking it via generative AI neural networks requiring massive investment in server farm processing power.

That's the link, so read all about it.

Since the 1980s spawned the PC there have been efforts to organize web search assistance, it being freely posted with that monetized by firms paying for ad targeting info provided by the search engine companies. And nobody's sued.

Rather, firms do SEO work, Search Engine Optimization which means getting an earlier spot in the engine's return list (indeed, "I'm feeling lucky" has lessened in focus, but the first return might be the lead). Now, you quiz the bot, and instead of  a return list with short blurbs you get grammatically reasonable text feedback. And lawsuits are being filed. 

Both search return lists and bot conversation rely upon web scraping - crawlers crawling the web per some algorithmic design, with a follow-up algorithmic analysis of crawler results translated to listing, per traditional search, and to text, per generative AI.

So what's the difference? Good question. Using Microsoft's Copilot bot-

Here is the test bot conversation generated to conduct an experiment:

You
what's leading news today, locally, for Minnesorta?
Copilot

Certainly! Here are some of the latest news highlights for Minnesota:

  1. Minnesota Mom Raising Opioid Awareness with New Film:

    • A local filmmaker collaborated with a Minnesota mom to create a film that raises awareness about the opioid epidemic. The project was funded through grants from the Minnesota Department of Human Services via the Opioid Epidemic Response Advisory Council1.
  2. South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem Addresses Dog Killing Controversy:

    • South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem faced backlash after details of her upcoming book were revealed. She addressed the controversy on social media1.
  3. Man Hospitalized After South Minneapolis Shooting:

    • A man who was shot in Minneapolis on Saturday night is now in critical condition at a hospital1.
  4. Rollover Crash in North Minneapolis Injures Five Women:

    • Five women were injured, three of them critically, in a rollover crash in north Minneapolis on Sunday1.
  5. Minnesota State Senator Nicole Mitchell Removed from Committees Amid Burglary Investigations:

    • Senator Nicole Mitchell will be removed from her committee assignments and caucus meetings while burglary allegations against her are investigated both in the Senate and legally1.
  6. Sunday Storm Precedes Rainy Week in Minnesota:

    • Another round of rain has arrived in the Twin Cities, and the unsettled weather pattern is expected to continue1.
  7. Cousins Embark on 1,600-Mile Bike Trip from Minnesota to Maine for World Bicycle Relief:

    • Karina Schindler and Britta Swanson are training for a three-week bike ride from Minnesota to Maine, supporting the World Bicycle Relief cause1.
  8. CBS News Poll: Biden-Trump Race Tight in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin:

    • A recent CBS News poll indicates that both Biden and Trump evoke feelings of worry, anger, and nostalgia in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania1.
  9. The Importance of Being Lazy:

    • Experts discuss the rewards of not pushing oneself to the edge all the time, challenging the culture of constant productivity1.
  10. Tornadoes Leave Trail of Destruction in Oklahoma:

    • Over 100 tornadoes were detected in six Midwest states over the weekend, causing significant damage1.
  11. Maya Moore and Seimone Augustus Inducted into Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame:

    • The Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame celebrated the induction of Maya Moore and Seimone Augustus, both with strong Minnesota ties1.
  12. Olympic Gold Medalist Gabby Douglas Competes for First Time Since 2016:

    • Gabby Douglas has qualified for multiple events in the U.S. Championships, marking her return to competitive gymnastics1.
  13. Youth Violence Prevention Summit Empowers Young People to Make Change in the Community:

    • The summit focuses on managing trauma and creating positive change among young individuals1.

For more detailed information, you can visit CBS News Minnesota or explore other local news sources like the Star Tribune and 5 Eyewitness News. Stay informed! 📰🌟

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Who will win the NBA playoffs?
Copilot

The 2024 NBA playoffs are in full swing, and the basketball world is buzzing with excitement. While predicting the outcome of such a dynamic and competitive event is challenging, let’s explore some insights:

  1. CBS Sports Predictions:

    • CBS Sports experts have made their picks for the entire postseason bracket. Some intriguing matchups are on the horizon, and they’re eyeing a Celtics-Nuggets Finals. The Denver Nuggets, led by the exceptional Nikola Jokic, are considered the best team, while the Boston Celtics have the tools to break through and win a title with their core of Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown11.
  2. Current Odds:

    • As of now, the Boston Celtics are the favorites to be the 2024 NBA Champions with odds of +115. The Denver Nuggets follow closely with odds of +260. Other contenders include the Oklahoma City Thunder at +1300 and the Dallas Mavericks at +140022.

Remember, the NBA playoffs are a minefield where anything can happen. Injuries, shooting variance, and matchup dynamics play crucial roles. Let’s buckle up and enjoy the thrilling journey to the championship! 🏀🏆

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Okay. Any newspaper feeling threatened by that, God bless. Now trying the traditional non-litigated search engine leader, Google:

search = local news minnesota

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local news minnesota on X

X (Twitter)
https://twitter.com/search/local+news+minnesota

Elizabeth Wrigley-Field @wrigleyfield@fediscience
@ewrigleyfield

The @UMNews decision to hastily shut down huge parts of campus in the middle of the last day of classes, in response to wholly peaceful protest, has caused material hardship for campus workers. It is OUTRAGEOUS that custodians are going w/o pay bc the uni fears its own students.
Posted on X · 16 hours ago
Aminah 🌹
@AminahSheikh
There are several dozen @Teamsters workers and several hundred grad workers @ueunion who are locked out of the @UMNews and being denied their wages. This is wage theft.
Posted on X · 19 hours ago
Matt Dean
@repmattdean
Whoever set up the terrorist tents at the U of M must have passed out ponchos and catered dinner for our little students. @UMNews wonder who is paying/coordinating all this?
Posted on X · 4 hours ago
Watch Dog UMN
@WatchDogUMN
We are really confused because @UMNews has said that workers sent home due to these closures will be paid for regularly scheduled times while @IBT_320 released a statement saying employees are not being paid and must take vacaction time. Which is it?

 

Posted on X · 11 hours ago
MN Poker Updates
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Good luck to Kou Vang (@mn_kvang) and Ian Matakis (@IMatakis) at the Final Table of the @ACR_POKER $2,650 VENOM $12.5M GTD!!! They are playing for 1st place of $1.8M! You have can tune in 3:25pm local time on twitch www.twitch.tv/acr_pkr?s…
Posted on X · 52 mins ago
Emmett V Coleman
@EmmettColeman

We have a #HousingCrisis in MN & across the country. Many states have begun to address the big issue: states defer to local govts who in turn defer to home owners that historically bar new construction. This system is broken. MN leaders must pass reforms. www.vox.com/policy/2413…
Posted on X · 2 hours ago
CrimeWatchMpls
@CrimeWatchMpls

. @UMNews #UMN is choosing to coddle protesters instead of securing the facility for those who pay tuition and are trying to finish finals and graduate. Pathetic.
Posted on X · 2 days ago
MAPE
@MAPEunion
Happy #InternationalWorkersDay! MAPE Locals 1401, 1402 & 1701 celebrated this past weekend at a rally in Duluth. Speakers included MAPE Region 17 Director David Clanaugh, MN State Senator @JenMcEwenMN, Labor Historian Peter Rachleff and Local 1402 President Ariel Johnson. #MayDay
Posted on X · 3 hours ago
GraemeThickins
@graemethickins

a come to Jesus moment is approaching for our local MN biggie… www.morningbrew.com/dai…
Posted on X · 5 hours ago
Minnesota Rossco. Since 1986!
@TheRossBrendel

Perhaps this entire Minnesota Twins and major-league baseball TV issue is just a ploy by the local nine to finally get Victory Sports 1 off the ground. Those who know, know. 😂 #MNTwins
Posted on X · 5 hours ago
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@nupseagles

Local business owner, Lindsay Henn (MN EIS NewUlm), volunteered through Junior Achievement to come in and teach 2nd Graders in Mrs. More's Classroom about Communities and Businesses. Students were able to use real life situations to practice goods and services. 💵 🍨 pic.twitter.com/9ptxVsI…
Posted on X · 21 hours ago
AV For You
@AVforYou

Congratulations to Make-A-Wish Minnesota on their record breaking fundraiser! So awesome that they raised over $1,000,000 to help support local kids! We’re so thankful for the opportunity to provide AV support for this amazing group's “Wish Ball” fundraiser. pic.twitter.com/fId1HLt…
Posted on X · 1 day ago
Praedictix Weather
@Praedictix
Minnesota Local Forecast: Risk of severe thunderstorms this afternoon & evening. Potential of a tornado.
Posted on X · 1 day ago
Jen Schultz for Congress MN08
@RepJenSchultz
We observed Workers Memorial Day at the Duluth Labor Temple w/ @MNAFLCIO, @NEALC_MN, organized labor, @RogerForDuluth + local officials. We need to continue protecting workers by keeping OSHA funded. #MN08 #WorkersMemorialDay
Posted on X · 2 days ago
IUOE Local 49
@49Local
In honor of Workers Memorial Day, Local 49 remembers those who have fallen. Pictured is the multitrade Workers Memorial Day ceremony that took place outside the Minnesota Capitol this afternoon. Safe jobs must be a priority.
Posted on X · 2 days ago
Paul Huttner weather
@paulhuttnerwx

Some impressive 1 to 2-inch w/ local 3 to 4-inch rainfall totals across much of Minnesota since Friday morning. 🌧️ Annandale west of MSP picked up 4"! Now the season's first real severe weather risk arrives Tuesday evening! ⚡️⚡️ #mnwx www.mprnews.org/story/2…
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Readers can play the same experiment. MS Bing Copilot chat vs Google traditional search. It seems web crawling and scraping traditionally is the way outlets get attention. They can tell google not to scrape, and then not get attention. How is a bot different? It does "summarization" which discourages following links. Beyond that, it appears to not use "secret sauce" text aggretator processing >> text output.

That is today's technology. The massive scraping and processing claimed to be OpenAI's commercial advantage is not claimed traditionally. Both search/return forms are actively evolved over time.

In one instance a format is used encouraging going to original sources. In the other a summarization discourages further follow-up. If you are looking for news about the NBA playoffs, by now you already should have a favored outlet, search not being required, for example if you use nba.com as key source.

Will bots take over the world? Who has that crystal ball, to answer?

Are bots a threat to newspapers? Perhaps? Can newspapers sue, because the actual technology differs from what they've not sued over previously? Yes, they are doing it, having the filing fees and the lawyers to write complaints and file them.

Is it news that news outlets are suing somebody? Their editors decide what to publish, as "news."

End of experiment.

The bot cut/paste formatting of the paste was superior, with a scrollable quote inside the scrollable post. Aside from that, my preference is traditional search. It seems quicker and isn't speed of an answer what things are about? A list seems more amenable to how things have worked since the 1980s, but habit is a factor. 


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ArsTechnica reporting of a DOJ suit against Google effectiveness (monopolization?), "Email Microsoft didn’t want seen reveals rushed decision to invest in OpenAI." It suggests perhaps more is at play, MS Copilot vs Google plain vanilla search. Whether Bing search is any better than it would be had MS not put $13 billion into its OpenAI spending is an unresolvable hypothetical. They spent, they have what they got. Buyer's remorse? Would they admit?

FURTHER: What harm would newspapers have suffered, had MS and OpenAI effort provided nil technical benefit nor goodwill. Hype, plenty - but substantial gain, that is an element the newspapers must prove. Web crawling has been going on quite some time, no harm asserted in the courts, so prove damages. Or just get an injunction and then bargain?

eric zaetsch at 12:59 PM
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